More TCC tax hike commentary

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Stan Geiger has a few blog entries up about next Tuesday's vote on Tulsa Community College's proposed property tax increases. (See my previous entry for links to my column on the topic and sources for additional information.) Here are some excerpts from Stan's latest -- click the links to read the whole thing:

TCC Launches Media Assault:

TCC is pushing the tired notion that more tax money for higher education equals a stronger local economy. Man, if only that were true.

The Tulsa area is up to its butt in public-subsidized higher education. TCC has 4 campuses---plus an office building for executives. We have an OU-Tulsa, an OSU-Tulsa and a Langston-Tulsa. We have a Northeastern State campus in Broken Arrow. And what was once a junior college in Claremore is now a 4-year school called Rogers State University under the auspices of the OU Board of Regents.

If pouring tax money into higher education resulted in economic prosperity, Tulsa would be a freakin' boomtown.

The Hits Keep Coming:

Well, 50 bucks a year might not be a big deal to educators. But to an average working person that has a real job out in the real world and is facing wolves at the door, 50 bucks is a lot of money.

Property Tax: The Ever Growing Tax, referring to an earlier comment by XonOFF, who notes that TCC currently gets almost as much property tax in a year as the City of Tulsa, and if the tax increase and bond issue pass, TCC will receive more property tax annually than Tulsa County government. Stan relates some budget research he did 10 years ago:

In 1997, TCC's budget figures showed property tax revenue of $15.3 million. Reports say the last permanent millage increase voted to TCC came in 1994. So in a 10-year span of time, in the absence of any increase in the tax rate, the amount of property tax revenue flowing into TCC doubled.

The property tax is not a static tax. It grows. If you vote an increase today, whatever it is, 50 bucks, a hundred bucks or whatever, it will be a bigger tax increase next year, and the year after that and the year after that.

Tulsa Chiggers has some TCC facts for voters to weigh:

Did you know that space is available, especially at the Northeast Campus? ...

Did you know that TCC has been operating with a surplus for years?

TulsaNow's public forum has a thread about the TCC tax hike, and it's interesting to see that many regulars there who usually support tax increases are balking at this one.
Commenter "waterboy" writes:

I received one of their calls last night. For the first time in my life I am voting against an education proposal.

TCC is a poor administrator of tax dollars [in my opinion].

I believe they practice age discrimination.

Their human resources dept. is inept. and unresponsive. (I know this has become common throughout the business world but this is tax dollars)

They cannibalized the areas surrounding the downtown facility for asphalt lots.

Wage disparity is embarrassingly out of balance. Read their classified ads.

I told the caller that at some point TCC will have its attitude with the public reflected back towards them. For me, this is that point.

Commenter "swake" replies:

I also am voting no for the first time.

TCC is a poor downtown citizen, works to block 1st and 2nd year classes from being offered by OSU and OU Tulsa and isn't the higher education entity that we need to work to grow.

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GK said:

Would this increase the property tax rate that residents are paying, or is this redistributing the way the current tax money is distributed?

Thanks for the clarification.

Ted D. said:

Let's see....it would have been about $100 per person for the river tax...another $50 for TCC.

If those and other proposals pass, how many does it take to equal up to your rent or mortgage payment?

The best thing for my own personal economy is to let me have the money I make so I can live, and therefore am not a burden for government (taxpayers) to have to take care of. This is also best for any larger economy.

just my opinion. That and $3.50 will get you a cup of coffee.

This would increase the property tax rate.

Ted D. said:

It doesn't matter whether it is a sales tax, a property tax or a user fee. It all comes out of my pocket one way or another and that is less money I have to spend on things for my family.

Don't get me wrong. I use Tulsa's higher ed system. I have 2 associates from TCC, an bachelor's from OSU Tulsa, and I am working on a master's from OSU Tulsa. But I do not believe TCC needs any more money from taxpayers.

If the money were needed...which I think is also up for debate....I would rather see a tuition hike at TCC. The tuition there is still pretty low compared to other colleges of their caliber and locale.

susan said:

How high will our property taxes rise from paying off the bad decision making of the City Council on paying off the Great Plains debt?

Actually, people pay more to Tulsa Technology than they do to TCC if you look at how your property tax summary is divided up.

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